Two Poles died after being attacked by a group of teenagers while they were buying chips in one of the takeaways in Drimnagh/ Dublin last Saturday. The older - 29 years old Paul has just died in St James’s Hospital in Dublin. They were stabbed with screwdriver.
The gangs of Irish kids and teenagers left unattended by their parents (who are both drunk or stoned) , kids taking and selling cocaine, using shotguns and being extremely brutal it is a growing stereotype picture of the Irish teenagers in the suburbs of Irish cities, and thus a stereotype picture of a part of the Irish society.
I don’t know what happened. Those two Poles were arguing with Irish teenagers. I don’t know if the kids were provoked or not. It doesn’t matter now. Those deaths will rise the racist tensions and build up higher the ghetto wall between Irish society and Polish community.
The stereotypes in both communities will be a bit stronger after those deaths.
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i can only apolagise on behalf of the real and true irish people over these appaling events, i feel ashamed and angry, my thoughts are with both family’s at this time,
Ger Dublin.
Ger: Thanks a million, and of course I don’t blame whole Irish community. They are scumbags among Polish and Irish people.
The problem of crime among the kids and teenagers from the big cities exists both in Ireland and Poland, but the picture is different, I mean the teenage scumbags in Poland are different to teenage scumbags in Ireland. However we have to solve it both in Poland and Ireland.
The other problem is the ghetto wall and lack of a wider integration of Polish emigrants (or immigrants) into Irish society (which is mostly our fault). We - as a community - are out of the Irish society and “The others” are always an easy target for the local criminals and scumbags.
That murder could happen to me - a person who is rather very well integrated into Irish society, but as a Polish person I am a part of “the others” in the eyes of the aggressive teenagers.
It’s probably true that they were targeted because they were from a different country, which is a very bad mindset for people to have, but I think in certain areas of society anyone (including Irish people) can be attacked if they come across a group such as this and say or do the wrong thing.
This is desperate stuff. Symptomatic of the growing nihilism and alientation that the Celtic Tiger has seemingly managed to exacerbate…
There has always been violence, random and thuggish but this is a new nadir.
this is a horrible and terrible thing to happen, i know many , and have also worked with many polish people, they are most welcome in this country, and i hope they realise that we do really love them, we need to make our bond stronger, lets get to know each other much better, and id like to ask everybody to attend the vigel this evening at 6.30 pm in drimnagh, lets show our polish friends that we love and care about them,
This unfortunately seems to be Ireland today, as an Irish person,I shame myself.
Michelle Byrne-Odlozinski
My sincere condolences to the families and close friends on the deaths of Pavel Kalita and Marius Szwajkos
Ar dheis Dé go raibh siad
I would hate to think this could have any bareing whatsoever on Polish Irish relations, we are all equally at the mercy of such scum.
Ed, I guess that in general their nationality had nothing to do or maybe it was the easiest reason that thugs wanted to find. I guess if they had been Irish the thugs would have find any other reason to attack.
Unfortunatelly I am affraid, it can have some bearing on Polish Irish relations. Some of us, but not all, can remember it and thus create a stereotype (however the crime in the Irish society is rising rapidly), and many of us will still stay in a ghetto.
Stereotypes are allways built on such experiences.
Anyway, I apreaciate very much the hospitality and well welcome I have experienced in Ireland so far.
Although the gardai have rubbished claims that nationality could have been a factor, but yes Krystian unfortunately as much as it disgusts me, i have to admit nationality was probably an issue for these scumbags.
Every single Polish person is welcome on this island and I say that with a deep knowledge of Irish history and culture. We can’t give in to those who would point out our differences as an excuse to attack us. I just hope for their sakes the gardai get to them first!
Again my thoughts and prayers are with both families and the safety of all decent people on the island of Ireland
Eddie
HI there, Ive been living in Poland for about 3 years now and was very interested to see a Polish perspective on Ireland as a web forum. Nice to see that we are living the dream and actually taking the opporuntity to relocate under the positive possibilities of new Europe. But this comment on Gettoisation and swan eating leaves me cold. I think that if anybody is gettoising a particular group it is the group themselves. There is something in the Polish psyche which tends towards the negative and ignores the positive attributes of any given situation and is not loathe to express it. On the other hand Irish people are quite itchy when it comes to slurs on their nation. I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had to put up with Poles casting aspersions as to how rotten Ireland is. For Gods sake Guys lighten up and stop drinlking vodka in the privacy of your own homes with the same group of friends from Katowice, Bielsko, etc.And the comment on turning a blind eye! Turning a blind eye??? Have you forgotten the rampant hooliganism in you own country? Turning a blind eye?? Have you forgotten how slow you police are to scrach their own behinds??? Turning a blind eye??? have you forgotten that in Lodz, ambulance men were killing patients to make a couple of zloty from an undertakers??? Thrning a blind eye??? the former president of Poland was a homophobe????Turning a blind eye/??? The list goes on……
Paul, my advice is… open your blind eye and read my entire blog.
Your advices about not turning the blind eye about Poland and Lodz especially is an effect of typical hot ignorance - you have just read one entry on my blog.
So before you get excited again please read some entries of my - and this blog…
Especiailly that one: http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/05/10/my-hometown-the-city-that-commited-suicide/
Today our city authorities are proud of Piotrkowska street (main street), but when you turn to the street across, you will see dirty tenements falling into ruins, with poor people living in. Today our city authorities are proud of decreasing unemployment rate, but there is no point to be proud of massive emigration to Ireland and UK. In Łódź, ambulance crews were killing patients using medications, and were selling just killed people to the funeral parlours. In Łódź, police made a horrific discovery, in a home of a poor family. They discovered bodies of children kept in the barrels at home. Parents were alcoholics and also very poor.
Next time please read my blog before you try to preach at.