Problem of mass migration from many countries of Europe and World into Ireland can bore, and already born negative opinions among some Irish nationals. It is quite obvious when quite a small country is facing a massive migration when the non-nationals are about 10 pc of the whole population. I - as an emigrant - have been always of the opinion that we - Poles - rather should try (at least) to integrate in some part into Irish society than closing ourselves in Polish ghetto, which is more or less a reality. I have been always against some typical behaviours like speaking Polish when at least one person is English speaker, behave ourselves - following the idea, that every Polish person abroad is an ambassador of our country, and ambassador of all of us. I was the first to call the Garda when I met Polish drunken hooligans troubling in the centre of the town. However I am not of the opinion that we are all bad. We are the same like other nations, and what is very easy to see, we both (Irish and Polish) share many the same bad habits. Thus, I am of the opinion we are nor worse nor better than Irish - a nation of emigrants - as we are at present. Honestly I haven’t faced so far any strong negative attitude towards Poles apart some of the comments to my blog entries. Those comments were showing the typical post - emigrant attitude - “now I am the master in my own country, and you Poles are bloody emigrants”, luckily the number of such comments was limited only to a few. However, I have been getting some rumours about that an exact number of Irish are highly racist and intolerant to all kinds of emigrants. the good example was the racist feedback got by a black Mayor of Portlaoise. From the other hand, it is hard to judge all of those comments, because I am trying to image what we would say if we had a black, or just an emigrant councillor or mayor of one of the towns in Poland.
Anyway, today, while I was searching the net I have came up against the Irish white power, racist internet forum, and the thread titled: Is Ireland being made a part of Poland.
Check it out, and let me know what do you think about it.
P.S. At least, those “white boys” should appreciate our Polish work on Irish heritage. Polish archaeologists are the biggest group on all of the excavation sites in Ireland.
Wow!
I’m amazed and embarassed by that site. Thankfully they are far in the minority. Of course most of them negelected or chose not to mention that a lot of Irish emigrated to America and Australia (Amongst other countries).
It seems to have been ok for us Irish to go elsewhere and send money home but when the situation is reversed? How do they define the boundaries? They seem to think that anyone who speaks english natively are ok and those that don’t are targets!
Exceptionally ironic because you could be almost sure that they could not speak our national language fluently. Most of us can’t!
Don’t mind them, because I certainly won’t take them serioulsy. You can be sure that some of those who think like that are the very same people that still think in sectarian terms i.e Catholic vs. Protestant, Republican vs. Loyalist etc. They have to give about something so just ignore the small dog barking. It’s bark is worse than it’s bite.
Don’t be concerned by what you read on an Internet forum - in the main, they tend to be the domain of choice for anonymous cowards.
And don’t engage with them - when you argue with a fool, passers by cannot tell the difference.
You and I have both written so often on this subject, this being my latest, that I am becoming weary. But we have to persevere.
Well done, Mac. Keep it up.
There are always people on the fringes with attitudes like this and always will be. As MacKozer propably knows better that most of us, thats how the NAZI’s got started as a fringe group in Bavaria. They eventually found favourable conditions to enable them to take power and the rest you know.
This is the danger, in the UK, Ireland and Spain have all experienced massive immigration post 2000 on the back of an economic boom enabled by cheap credit. This credit is now being withdrawn and banks are collapsing in the USA, Germany and UK, anyone who studies the economic history of the 1920’s and 30’s will know what happens next as resources are less available.
There are problems caused by the immigration for Irish people.
1. Irish students are finding it hard to get jobs over the summer holidays since these have already been taken by immigrants. This is creating frustration as they can’t get work experience or earn a few quid and its feeding back into their parents, who have raised the subject on several occasions with politicians and in the media.
You will also find the age profile of those on these forums with the most venomous attitudes is generally about 18 to 21.
2. People from marginalised backgrounds with little education and poor job prospects must compete for low skilled work (standing behind a counter, warehouse distribution, bar work etc) with immigrants and very often they are displaced since the immigrant can and does undercut them. They have no idea how bad things really are in parts of Poland or Modavia and they don’t care. This is the background of the original poster who started the Stormfront thread.
3. In many large towns across Ireland, the tendancy of eastern Europeans (Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians etc) to gather in large groups and get drunk and often violent has scared many of the older generation from the streets after dark and again feeds into a bad reputation whether deserved of not.
4. The lack of discussion of this topic in the media, since it is perceived by many Left wing journalists (almost all are in Ireland) be a non politically correct subject to discuss means a lot of urban legends and discussion of the immigration issue takes place in the homes and pubs of this country, giving the likes of Stormfront ample opportunity to spread their viewpoint.
Mac, don’t give them publicity. You should know what they’re like. I’m sure there are plenty of them in Poland too.
Robert, don’t be embarrassed by those fools. They don’t represent anyone.
If you changed the names in Paul’s last paragraph, it would still be correct:
In many large towns across England, the tendancy of Irish to gather in large groups and get drunk and often violent has scared many of the older generation from the streets after dark and again feeds into a bad reputation whether deserved of not.
Bock, you are right, but I am of the opinion that if somebody wants to join them will find the way by himself.
and you are right, we have them in Poland too. The most funny thing is, the problem they can not solve - what about Polish skinheads (white power bullshit) who are currently working in Ireland
They are bloody emigrants, but also part of their infamous brotherhood or whatever.
I saw two Polish drunken skinheads in the nightclub in Nenagh. They were nazi saluting and shouting “sieg hail”. That was the most sad and ridiculous at the same time.
Poland’s Nazi history needs to be confronted. Especially the story of what happened to the returning Jews after the war.
I guessed you’d be happy to know that the site you linked to (plus a site it referenced) have been removed. I complained to the host compaines are they were only too happy to pull them.
I no longer live in Ireland. Left a few years ago. I’m one the people the Irish are only too pleased to forget about. An Irish emmigrant in the US. Yeah I didn’t have to leave but I was a bit sick of the snobbish attitude in Dublin. To be honest as a Irish country boy at heart I found that parts of Boston feel much more like home than Dublin.
Anyway, good luck to the East Europeans of Ireland. Once you get over the Irish island mentality you’ll understand that its a great country with great people which I’m sure will be enriched by your contribution .
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Haha, that site is fucked up. For a crazy second there I almost reponded to them but thought better of it.
Paul, I can not agree with you in some points:
ad 1. Here in Carlow, there is still lots of vacancies. The massive emigration rises competition, but it has also a good side - rising the quality of the services.
ad. 2. Comparing Poland to Moldavia is a big mistake. Moldavia is a country with deep economical crisis and partly in the state of war ( rebel province that wants to be a part of Russia). From economical point of view those two countries are completely different worlds.
ad. 3. you right, but those old people should be also scared with a high crime rate in native Irish society, which is relatively high compared to other European countries. Honestly, in the case of troublemakers we are not much different.
and you are right, there is lack of discussion and attempts of real integration, not only providing bi-lingual services.
To J_J_Flynn: Thank you very much. Sorry, but your comment was regarded as a spam by ASKIMET - antispam filter, and I have just found it. Sorry for any inconvenience and thank you for quick reaction.
Gosh, I haven’t looked at that site yet and having read some of the comments here, I probably won’t.Its incredibly embarassing for most Irish people to hear this.Its not a surprise because we, like all countries have a certain element which largely consists of the uneducated and the ignorant.I work in an office with incredibly smart and talented people, most of which are Polish.I’ve even managed to pick up a little Polish myself although they always speak english (perfect) when I’m around.I have polish neighbours who make me smile as I watch them go about their business.The truth is we need you guys as well as all of the other nationalities and it sickens me to think that the 1000 welcomes isn’t extended to you.
One of my Polish co-workers came into work visibly upset a short time ago.His landlord had decided that he wanted he and his housemates to leave with no notice and no good reason.I telephoned the landlord for him and advised him of the repercussions of such behaviour.Jacob and his friends found themselves suddenly welcome again.They left of their own accor a month later.
Irelandawake has been around in various forms for along time… I used to have vigorous debates with some of them back in olden times on Nationstates (ever hear of that?!?) and they’ve also been the subject of anti-racist actions when they’ve tried to organise in actual reality…
Go to windymedia and search for irelandawake and you’ll come across some stories…
Bear in mind MacKozer, racism isn’t an Irish thang or a Polish thang, it’s a small minded thing.
Tug. Please show me, where in my entry I have expressed something like “racism is typical Irish” or “All Irish are racists”? I am dealing with everything what I faced, everything good and bad, if you take my opinions as an expressions about whole Irish nation it is just only your own overinterpretation.
Should my next entry be about Polish skin heads, only to prove that I am “political correct” and that something like racism is present in every nation?
If you’d like…
Best to ignore these lunatics..they are not open to debate anyway as they are so stupid..they are cowardly as they use have the anyonomity of the Net to express their opinions.. I know for a fact that NeoNazis are more of a problem in Poland-My Polish colleague in my last job said black & gay people had an easier time here than they could ever have in her town in the south of Poland..not to dismiss racism here especially the kind used by people like the landlord mentionned above..I heard actually that there was a big fight outside of a secondary school in Wicklow or Arklow between Irish and Polish students the other day ( was in the Indo on Tuesday i think)..not something nice to hear…the Polish guys & girls I have worked with have all been really nice people but there are some eejits here too-I guess thats normal since there are many of you guys here..
Hi Mackozer,
1. There may be vacancies in Carlow and large urban areas, but nobody is employing said 18-21 year olds, obviously we could conclude these people have an attitude problem towards work or life in general. Point is these individuals are hiding behind this as an excuse to turn on immigrants. Read these articles by David McWilliams.
This land is Ireland, this land is their land: The Brave New World
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2006/01/11/this-land-is-ireland-this-land-is-their-land-the-brave-new-world
Welcome to the underclass
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2006/03/01/welcome-to-the-underclass
The no sweat Irish: Money for nothing and their kicks for free
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2006/03/15/the-no-sweat-irish-money-for-nothing-and-their-kicks-for-free
Why our life in the fast lane can’t stop without skidding
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2006/07/27/why-our-life-in-the-fast-lane-cant-stop-without-skidding
2. I bought up Moldova since it’s where the latest wave of migration to Ireland comes from. I live in an area of Dublin that tends to experience a change in tenancy as each new group arrives, they then move on elsewhere in the Irish and British markets. The point is the the xenophobes in question do not distinguish between Poles, Latvians or Russians.
Which brings us full circle, the immigration debate is deliberately silenced by the media in Ireland, this, despite Irish people wanting to discuss the issue in a full and frank manner. The only outlet for people who do not hold the views of the Irish media is on forums similar to Stormfront where their views remain unchallenged and embedded.
Ah yes.
McWilliams.
Praise the lord…
Contrary to some I think uncovering such a forum is good and if I was in your shoes Mac, I’d email this to media.
There were some insightful comments made. I just don’t want to agree that it is emigration to blame for some Irish (especially younger ones) being unable to find jobs here. If one wants to work one will always find a job - especially in an economy like Ireland. Eastern Europeans come here to work that’s why they find jobs so quickly.
just to correct myself - immigration, not emigration
I am an American (23 years old) living in Ireland ( i live in Bray). I am married to an Irish man, we live close to Dublin. I moved here in March. I had no idea how hard it would be for me to find a job. I dont have any degrees, my experience was working as an assistant to the intellectually disabled. I have applied to many organizations and have been turned down. So, I started applying to nursing homes, which pay low wages. About 9-10 Euros an hour. At one job interview the manager of the nursing home told me “many foreign nationals are desperate for jobs when they come to Ireland so they accept our job offers and then quit the job a few weeks later after they find something that is better paying”. She told she would call and of course she never did. I was very offended by this. Many people will take low paying jobs and then quit if they find something better, it happens in the U.S. all the time. For example, supermarket stores such as Superquinn (called Tops or Wegmans or Walmart) offer lower wages. People accept these jobs without planning on making a life-long career. In Ireland I cant even seem to get a job. I was turned down by Superquinn and Tesco. Maybe I am just frustrated because I have taken the easy job market in the U.S. for granted. I am used to being hired the day of the interview. There are people in the U.S. that blame immigrants for “taking” their jobs, but they are ignorant and generally uneducated. When Irish people first came to the U.S. (I am from Buffalo, NY where many Irish-Americans live) there were conflicts with the Irish steel mill workers who were upset that African Americans would break their union strikes (early 20th century). The African Americans would work for very low wages and bad conditions, mostly because they were newly freed slaves who migrated from the South. Instead of both communities blaming the steel mill owners, fights would break out. I hope that people will drop their attitudes and become more open minded, otherwise they will face problems that happen in the US.
Reicha send me an email dypad@hotmail..I may be able to help you!
Diarmuid, thanks i send u an email. mine is reasha29@hotmail.com
Stormfront?? Come on, they’re a bunch of nutcases. Of course you’re going to get stupid, extreme opinions there. I didn’t even bother to read that thread. The extreme right is hilarious. They hate blacks, Jews, Asians, gays…… but between each national group, they also hate each other too. So we can ignore them for now, I think.
Ciaran
I didn’t write that in Ireland skin heads marching on the streets 
I did write in that entry that I haven’t faced any strong negative attitude towards us, but I am describing on my blog what I have experienced even if it is small thing, but something that attracted my attention, so if I should ignore all things - both good and bad - I would probably never start blogging.
In my opinion there is nothing to ignore, but to describe facts as they are, and I am trying not to be too much away out of truth, both in a good and bad remarks on Ireland
Which brings us full circle, the immigration debate is deliberately silenced by the media in Ireland, this, despite Irish people wanting to discuss the issue in a full and frank manner.
Actually, the fact is that most people do want to discuss the issue in a full and frank manner, but the problem is, that the discussion is then always hijacked by the racists whose idea of “full and frank” discussion invariably entails more or less covert racist attacks at immigrants as a collective - attacks of a kind that cannot be squared with individualist democracy and rule of law. Decent people are disgusted by this, because they do not want to discuss the matter in such terms. The forum is then inundated with less and less covertly racist rants, and then closed down, having in effect been turned into a propaganda forum for this scum. Then the scum triumphs, having once again proven to itself that “political correctness” impedes discussion.
This is their tactics everywhere and in every country. It always works the same way.
Hi my name is Trevor and I am an Irish lad. Im glad that this section of the website is in English because I have been a regular visitor to the PolskiDublin website since it was first started almost. Why do I come you might say? I was always interested as to why Polish people came to dull boring Ireland. About 10 years ago thats all it was, I remember as a child my dream was to escape this country and go to America and never return.
I do not live in my homeland, Ireland anymore. I now in fact live in Piaseczno near Warsaw in Poland. My girlfriend is Polish so I came here for her, even though Im only 24 I can definitely see the difference in cultures between the 2 countries.
Over here in PL there are none of the so called ‘Scangers’ whom unfortunately give Ireland a bad name. I do understand in the post that there is a little negativity towards foreigners from Irish,, I guess some people are not used to the fact we are multi-cultural here. Perhaps Irish people feel like they’re country has been invaded, which is reasonable, however the majority are quite accepting of foreigners in my experience. However,,, my experience in Poland has not been so favourable, people here can see that I’m not Polish, they look at me constantly like they have never seen a foreigner before,,but maybe they havnt. Some Irish people do have a negative attitude towards foreigners in general, not just Polish. However only some people are negative, whenever my mother speaks to a foreigner she is always too willing to help, she even got some of them a job. Here in Poland I feel ashamed to speak English honestly, I feel like if I do then people will think badly of me, some of them give me hard looks and it upsets me really.
I am glad Polish came to Ireland because, there was once a time when it was dangerous on the streets of Dublin but now the Irish thugs are afraid of the Polish/Lithuanian men for example because their bodies are built bigger than Irish men, also I’m glad that you are here because thats how I met my girlfriend and I would never want anybody else.
All I want to say is that forget any negative words, some people can be ignorant but what we need to do is educate them.
Hey Trevor, you say that there is no “scangers” in Poland?! That must be one fancy neighbourhood your living in. I lived there myself and had a great time, Poland has its positive and negative elements to its society just like anywhere else but you’d have to be blind not to notice the huge subculture of hooliganism throughout the country..ok I know it may be hard to spot the bad one’s in a nation where 80% of men under thirty shave their heads 80’s action man style but wander into the wrong area and you’ll soon find yourself on the receiving end of a lot more than curious stares. I spent a year in Krakow and have been back to Poland many times, I made a lot of friends there and generally I found the people to be very welcoming but I also found myself in several fights with young men who challenged me over nothing other than our nationality. And this was long before the English/Irish stag party invasion, which has understandably put a few noses out of joint. I hope you have a wonderful time in Poland, but please dont be so naieve.
Bazzzz you are right in general, but your assumptions about the percentage of tough looking bald men is overestimated and based on the area where you used to live. However in some areas it seems to be like that, and the percentage of them is even 100%. Nevertheless it is not as high as 80% and in my opinion it is about 50%.
After all, I found both Irish and Polish similar. There is 60% of good people and 40% of scumbags in both societies. We have hooligans, bald monsters wearing track suits, and you have gangs with shotguns and gangs of the monster kids, who are roaming the streets destroying what they want.
and probably there is no heaven on earth, so you are right. If one’s hasn’t got into trouble with the natives, it doesn’t mean that there is no troubles at all.
Ok!
I confess..80% is an exaggeration. I hung out in mostly student, rock and indie bars in Krakow and the patrons of such places were as diverse in their self image as anywhere else in the world, but I have noticed that a huge proportion of Polish males have a fondness for the shaved head, and not just hooligan types, I know lots of really bookish intellectual types who like this style too. It’s really a strange phenomenon that the current generation of Polish males have almost created a national stereotype, but I will admit that it is far more noticeable among the Polish community in Ireland than in Poland which probably is more of a reflection of the section of Polish society that are attracted to working here. I must say Irish people are no better when it comes to dressing individually..we are all familiar with the hordes of teenage girls, with identical hairstyles, tracksuits and furry boots!
As for Stormfront..I really wouldn’t go paying any heed to such a website, I’ve read through their Irish forums a few times and the stupidity and ignorance being displayed is laughable, a bunch of insecure keyboard warriors talking tough. I’d give Ireland another 10 years before we start to see any significant signs of a real white power /racist movement emerging, but if immigration continues at the current levels it may be unfortunately inevitable..human nature is an ugly thing.
Keep up the good work, I really enjoy checking in on your blog from time to time.
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All Irish are scumbags. Ungrateful, uneducated, ignorants, rude, dirty, drinkers and villagers. No exception
So, you suggest that 99pc of natives that I know are not Irish?
as a student it is extremely frustrating in the summer when no job is available, im not from a rich backround and i hate taking from my parents. maybe my area (nenagh) was unlucky with the batch of easteren imigrants we got coz they are in large drunken thugs