Comments on: Tell us what do you think about us http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/ MacKozer's Irish diary Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:31:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: max http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-19985 max Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:44:31 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-19985 i think the polish are hard working, decent people and the more the merrier... i have noticed some cultural differences - polish are very left brained people, very smart,intelligent and diligent. but in my experience they can lack spontanaety or a spark and seem serious or conventional, but i think its perhaps circumstantial to an extent.polish people have told me that irish people are more creative with humour and are friendlier but this is just opinion, not a nessecarily a reflection of reality and i do think that communism has left a residue in the polish psyque. but i think its good to have a bit of contrast, i work with many polish and they are a great bunch, the women are amazing and i cant help flirting with them!but then the boyfriend comes in and i hide behind some fat irish girl for safety ;-)! but they do keep to themselves and perhaps they are happy this way, i dont know, i would be more than happy to meet with polish people if they wanted to integrate more, see who's the most intellegent(after 10 pints of course...)!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!! i think the polish are hard working, decent people and the more the merrier… i have noticed some cultural differences - polish are very left brained people, very smart,intelligent and diligent. but in my experience they can lack spontanaety or a spark and seem serious or conventional, but i think its perhaps circumstantial to an extent.polish people have told me that irish people are more creative with humour and are friendlier but this is just opinion, not a nessecarily a reflection of reality and i do think that communism has left a residue in the polish psyque. but i think its good to have a bit of contrast, i work with many polish and they are a great bunch, the women are amazing and i cant help flirting with them!but then the boyfriend comes in and i hide behind some fat irish girl for safety ;-)!
but they do keep to themselves and perhaps they are happy this way, i dont know, i would be more than happy to meet with polish people if they wanted to integrate more, see who’s the most intellegent(after 10 pints of course…)!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!

]]> By: Hedonaut http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-14135 Hedonaut Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:43:04 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-14135 I truly hope that Polish people living and working in Ireland enjoy their time here and it would be really nice if they choose to stay. I work with many Polish people and I generally find them extremely friendly. I do think that Irish and Poles need to integrate more and I wish it would happen. I take the point that Irish people often gang together when they arrive on foreign soil but I do believe that this only happens in non-english speaking countries and even the, it is only until they are comfortable with the language. I truly hope that Polish people living and working in Ireland enjoy their time here and it would be really nice if they choose to stay. I work with many Polish people and I generally find them extremely friendly. I do think that Irish and Poles need to integrate more and I wish it would happen. I take the point that Irish people often gang together when they arrive on foreign soil but I do believe that this only happens in non-english speaking countries and even the, it is only until they are comfortable with the language.

]]> By: yobbah http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-8437 yobbah Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:59:46 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-8437 Can you also explain, why e.g. most of the archaeologist in Ireland are foreigners? I haven’t seen unemployed Irish archaeologist Mackozer How come there are polish archaeologists here? i have several friends with archaeological qualifications who are now undertaking another course because they cannot find a job in archaeology. i find this unusual. I thought that archaeology was an area where there were too many graduates in Ireland for too few jobs. Can you also explain, why e.g. most of the archaeologist in Ireland are foreigners? I haven’t seen unemployed Irish archaeologist
Mackozer

How come there are polish archaeologists here? i have several friends with archaeological qualifications who are now undertaking another course because they cannot find a job in archaeology. i find this unusual. I thought that archaeology was an area where there were too many graduates in Ireland for too few jobs.

]]> By: Space Night http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-6846 Space Night Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:42:19 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-6846 MacKozer Like many Irish here I travelled and worked abroad (no jobs in the 80's and 90's) - and the Irish pub and network was invaluable 'cos you met lots of English speakers from all over the world. I didn't make many friends in any of the countries though, until after a couple of years. Many Irish treated the experience as a working holiday, as transitional, knowing they would move on. The Poles coming to Ireland to work is great for the country socially, culturally, economically - where will the next tiger settle for a few years? If we want to integrate more (and I'd say 90% of us do) - it'll be through sport, Poles marrying and raising kids here, business and lastly - leisure - lets see some Polish bands, lets get some motivated people set up ad hoc party nights, cultural events - plays - and meetings for all newcomers. It'll take time - and effort - as for your comments on the first five pages of papers dealing with crime - how true - never thought about that! I work in a community radio and will be trying to get a Polish programme on the air before the end of the year. We have a Russian and African programme on at the moment. Keep up the blog. The Eye in the Sky P.S. Myself and a friend tried to get to Poland on the train in 1991 but was turned back at Ostrava. After being interrogated in the middle of the night, we got the next train back to Praha. I remember the strong smell of pure alcohol in the cool midnight air. That said, I would like to swap homes with a Polish family sometime in the future for a holiday. P.P.S. just looked at the map and maybe it wasn't Ostrava cos it's miles in the wrong direction. Well it was a long time ago and an experience! MacKozer

Like many Irish here I travelled and worked abroad (no jobs in the 80’s and 90’s) - and the Irish pub and network was invaluable ‘cos you met lots of English speakers from all over the world. I didn’t make many friends in any of the countries though, until after a couple of years. Many Irish treated the experience as a working holiday, as transitional, knowing they would move on. The Poles coming to Ireland to work is great for the country socially, culturally, economically - where will the next tiger settle for a few years? If we want to integrate more (and I’d say 90% of us do) - it’ll be through sport, Poles marrying and raising kids here, business and lastly - leisure - lets see some Polish bands, lets get some motivated people set up ad hoc party nights, cultural events - plays - and meetings for all newcomers. It’ll take time - and effort - as for your comments on the first five pages of papers dealing with crime - how true - never thought about that!

I work in a community radio and will be trying to get a Polish programme on the air before the end of the year. We have a Russian and African programme on at the moment.

Keep up the blog.

The Eye in the Sky

P.S. Myself and a friend tried to get to Poland on the train in 1991 but was turned back at Ostrava. After being interrogated in the middle of the night, we got the next train back to Praha. I remember the strong smell of pure alcohol in the cool midnight air. That said, I would like to swap homes with a Polish family sometime in the future for a holiday.

P.P.S. just looked at the map and maybe it wasn’t Ostrava cos it’s miles in the wrong direction. Well it was a long time ago and an experience!

]]> By: John http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-6564 John Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:09:42 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-6564 Czesc, I have travelled around a lot of European countries and worked in various parts of Europe and hope to visit Poland some day. Somebody asked about learning some Polish words, here is a website to download simple courses for free. http://www.byki.com/ I would like to date a Polish girl but they are all too young for me, I am a young 48. I know a few Polish girls from going into my local shop and they are all very nice and polite. I keep asking them to send over their older sisters (joke). It cannot be easy working away from home, so I understand why they will stick together. Most young people in Ireland never knew the bad times (including Charlie Haughey) when 70,000 were leaving Ireland every year to work abroad. So, it is good that we let others have a chance to better their lives, because most will want to return home and have a better life when they return. Czesc,

I have travelled around a lot of European countries and worked in various parts of Europe and hope to visit Poland some day.

Somebody asked about learning some Polish words, here is a website to download simple courses for free. http://www.byki.com/

I would like to date a Polish girl but they are all too young for me, I am a young 48. I know a few Polish girls from going into my local shop and they are all very nice and polite. I keep asking them to send over their older sisters (joke).

It cannot be easy working away from home, so I understand why they will stick together.

Most young people in Ireland never knew the bad times (including Charlie Haughey) when 70,000 were leaving Ireland every year to work abroad. So, it is good that we let others have a chance to better their lives, because most will want to return home and have a better life when they return.

]]> By: bonsai http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5944 bonsai Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:56:40 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5944 Hi Rodger. about being politically correct. I think this is a big problem. Ye don't say things straight in the eyes. Which we are in most cases got used to. If ye have a problem speak up! I have that problem on a daily basis. If something wrong say it. If you won't say I won't know if I won't know I won't do anything with it You still be upset. Hi Rodger.
about being politically correct. I think this is a big problem. Ye don’t say things straight in the eyes. Which we are in most cases got used to. If ye have a problem speak up! I have that problem on a daily basis. If something wrong say it. If you won’t say I won’t know if I won’t know I won’t do anything with it You still be upset.

]]> By: mackozer http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5859 mackozer Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:49:29 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5859 Rodger, no problem :) I don't think your post would insult anybody. I can understand your thoughts about being overrun by Poles, but the number you quoted are overestimated. The number of all PPS registered to Poles are lower than 300 thousands, and remember that still people coming back to Poland, after saving exact amount of money. The most common assumption or estimation is about 300 thousands. Of course - 300 thousands is still very big number. As for the drink driving, I can't agree that it is the major Polish problem. Court brief column in The Nationalist (local Carlow area) is full of Irish drinking drivers. There is of course some Poles mentioned, but not every weeks. Dumping wastes is also mainly Irish problem, and even high number of Poles is only the addition, and making it a little bigger. But still, I agree that the influx can be a problem, a cultural problem. Rodger, no problem :) I don’t think your post would insult anybody. I can understand your thoughts about being overrun by Poles, but the number you quoted are overestimated. The number of all PPS registered to Poles are lower than 300 thousands, and remember that still people coming back to Poland, after saving exact amount of money.

The most common assumption or estimation is about 300 thousands. Of course - 300 thousands is still very big number.

As for the drink driving, I can’t agree that it is the major Polish problem. Court brief column in The Nationalist (local Carlow area) is full of Irish drinking drivers. There is of course some Poles mentioned, but not every weeks.

Dumping wastes is also mainly Irish problem, and even high number of Poles is only the addition, and making it a little bigger.

But still, I agree that the influx can be a problem, a cultural problem.

]]> By: rodger http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5839 rodger Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:08:48 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5839 I work in a 4 person department within a company, the other three are Polish. While I am good friends with one, I have to say that the other two and most Polish people that I have met are generally ok. I would agree with eddies comments with regard to drinking in public. Recently I could not take my kids to the local park because of large groups of Polish people drinking there. They are noisey and mostly rude. Remember, the irish did have to emmigrate but the statistics are not accurate with regard to the amount of Polish in Ireland. My Polish friend told me of how it is known in the Polish community that the recently released figures from the Central Statistics Office are a joke and that upward of 400,000 poles are in the country(approx 10%) counting all the parents and grandparents who come here to babysit and who dont register for a PPS no. To compare: A similar influx into the U.S in a three year period would result in 25 million immigrants. Likewise 6 million into the UK. Would this be acceptable?? The Irish did not emmigrate in such vast percentages. While I welcome anybody to come and work and share in our country, I dont think that this influx is good for Ireland and cannot be sustained. Think of our childrens education, the health service, these are under enough strain already. While it is good to see positive comments, I can only ask that, why in every conversation in every household and family, we feel that there are "too many of them around". Everybody I know whisper that they are unhappy with the situation, but of course we have to be "politically correct". We have had our own problems in Ireland with regard to alcohol, litter etc. but the majority of the Polish are making it difficult for the law abiding Polish. Drink driving, no car tax, 15-20 year old hazardous cars, no nct, no bins, where do they dump their rubbish. My argument is not about a person or country but too many immigrants and no control on the influx. Ireland is no longer Ireland and it is a shame that our parents and grandparents who built this country over the last 80 years are watching it being overrun by an open door EU policy to immigration. I apologise if I offend anybody but these are my thoughts and the thoughts of the majority of people but most will not speak up. I work in a 4 person department within a company, the other three are Polish. While I am good friends with one, I have to say that the other two and most Polish people that I have met are generally ok. I would agree with eddies comments with regard to drinking in public. Recently I could not take my kids to the local park because of large groups of Polish people drinking there. They are noisey and mostly rude. Remember, the irish did have to emmigrate but the statistics are not accurate with regard to the amount of Polish in Ireland. My Polish friend told me of how it is known in the Polish community that the recently released figures from the Central Statistics Office are a joke and that upward of 400,000 poles are in the country(approx 10%) counting all the parents and grandparents who come here to babysit and who dont register for a PPS no. To compare: A similar influx into the U.S in a three year period would result in 25 million immigrants.
Likewise 6 million into the UK. Would this be acceptable?? The Irish did not emmigrate in such vast percentages. While I welcome anybody to come and work and share in our country, I dont think that this influx is good for Ireland and cannot be sustained. Think of our childrens education, the health service, these are under enough strain already. While it is good to see positive comments, I can only ask that, why in every conversation in every household and family, we feel that there are “too many of them around”. Everybody I know whisper that they are unhappy with the situation, but of course we have to be “politically correct”. We have had our own problems in Ireland with regard to alcohol, litter etc. but the majority of the Polish are making it difficult for the law abiding Polish.
Drink driving, no car tax, 15-20 year old hazardous cars, no nct, no bins, where do they dump their rubbish. My argument is not about a person or country but too many immigrants and no control on the influx. Ireland is no longer Ireland and it is a shame that our parents and grandparents who built this country over the last 80 years are watching it being overrun by an open door EU policy to immigration.
I apologise if I offend anybody but these are my thoughts and the thoughts of the majority of people but most will not speak up.

]]> By: sharon http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5288 sharon Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:36:17 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-5288 Czech! I think it's great that this forum has been set up i lived n worked in Krakow three years ago and loved it and have been back in Poland to stay for a couple of months last year, i meet so many lovely people n went to some cool places. I had a polish boyfriend who i lived with he was very abusive physicaly and mentaly he drove his car sometimes drunk and saw women as mearly sex objects. He had no respect for the law in Ireland. At the end i had to file a report with the police and leave the town that we were living in(here in Ireland) because i felt so unsafe. I have many polish n lithuanian friends so i know not all polish men are like this but it is very hard for me to not be be wary of polish men ! Maybe i was unlucky but it will take me a long time to get over this. I just hope that polish people respect the law here and or culture so there will be no problems in the future. I hope u publish this as it is a valid point! thnx Czech!
I think it’s great that this forum has been set up i lived n worked in Krakow three years ago and loved it and have been back in Poland to stay for a couple of months last year, i meet so many lovely people n went to some cool places.
I had a polish boyfriend who i lived with he was very abusive physicaly and mentaly he drove his car sometimes drunk and saw women as mearly sex objects. He had no respect for the law in Ireland. At the end i had to file a report with the police and leave the town that we were living in(here in Ireland) because i felt so unsafe. I have many polish n lithuanian friends so i know not all polish men are like this but it is very hard for me to not be be wary of polish men ! Maybe i was unlucky but it will take me a long time to get over this. I just hope that polish people respect the law here and or culture so there will be no problems in the future. I hope u publish this as it is a valid point! thnx

]]> By: Sarah http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-4982 Sarah Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:26:05 +0000 http://www.drakkart.com/eire2/2007/03/19/tell-us-what-do-you-think-about-us/#comment-4982 I work with 2 poles and while both are very hard working, i find them incredibly tight and judgmental. They make absolutely no effort to speak english around the office (which is also very multicultural...i am the only irish person, there are also 3 polish girls working in the shop near us and they are the rudest, most unfriendly girls i've ever met. Maybe it's just the women? I work with 2 poles and while both are very hard working, i find them incredibly tight and judgmental. They make absolutely no effort to speak english around the office (which is also very multicultural…i am the only irish person, there are also 3 polish girls working in the shop near us and they are the rudest, most unfriendly girls i’ve ever met. Maybe it’s just the women?

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